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Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
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Re: Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
Interesting!
It would be nice to see a few more 'craft' or 'real' lagers at festivals and in 'real Ale' pubs.
It would be nice to see a few more 'craft' or 'real' lagers at festivals and in 'real Ale' pubs.
The craft beer revolution will not be sanitised!
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
Re: Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
But CAMRA prohibits things that aren't ale, even if they come in a cask on a handpump. Dorset Brewing Company were vociferous about this recently as Chesil can't be sent to CAMRA events.SteveW wrote:Interesting!
It would be nice to see a few more 'craft' or 'real' lagers at festivals and in 'real Ale' pubs.
Ali
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com
Re: Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
I am sure that there have been allsorts of lagers at the Great British in London in Previous years on the Bierès San Frontières bar.
Just checking my programme of last years festival, to name a few:
Budweiser Budvar
Budvar Dark
Krouzkovany Lezak
American Lagers such as Helles Lager (Fordham Brewing company), Pils (Lagunitas).
Organic New Zealand Lagers - Organic Lager & Organic Pilsner both from Mikes Organic Brewery.
Lager from Singapore, Bohemian Lager (Archipelago).
Etc etc.
So the Charge does not stand I am afraid.
I was not aware of the Dorset Brewing Company and the issue with Chesil. I can't see why it is an issue, given the above!
I must admit to being a little perplexed as to why CAMRA is having such heated internal debate about the 'craft beer issue' when they have beers such as those and many, many others like them on at their biggest festival every year. I hear no complaints or any outrage from drinkers there, just people enjoying what's on offer.
I must admit looking at the beer lists for the Bierès San Frontières bars, that doing the BJCP course really has widened my beer horizons!
Just checking my programme of last years festival, to name a few:
Budweiser Budvar
Budvar Dark
Krouzkovany Lezak
American Lagers such as Helles Lager (Fordham Brewing company), Pils (Lagunitas).
Organic New Zealand Lagers - Organic Lager & Organic Pilsner both from Mikes Organic Brewery.
Lager from Singapore, Bohemian Lager (Archipelago).
Etc etc.
So the Charge does not stand I am afraid.
I was not aware of the Dorset Brewing Company and the issue with Chesil. I can't see why it is an issue, given the above!
I must admit to being a little perplexed as to why CAMRA is having such heated internal debate about the 'craft beer issue' when they have beers such as those and many, many others like them on at their biggest festival every year. I hear no complaints or any outrage from drinkers there, just people enjoying what's on offer.
I must admit looking at the beer lists for the Bierès San Frontières bars, that doing the BJCP course really has widened my beer horizons!
The craft beer revolution will not be sanitised!
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
Re: Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
All of which are foreign....and they'll even allow kegs from abroad. But, for UK brewers they only permit cask ale, or at best key kegs (a sort of half-way house). I find their position on what they'll tolerate as imports against their stance on UK products laughabley hypocritical.SteveW wrote:I am sure that there have been allsorts of lagers at the Great British in London in Previous years on the Bierès San Frontières bar.
Just checking my programme of last years festival, to name a few:
Budweiser Budvar
Budvar Dark
Krouzkovany Lezak
American Lagers such as Helles Lager (Fordham Brewing company), Pils (Lagunitas).
Organic New Zealand Lagers - Organic Lager & Organic Pilsner both from Mikes Organic Brewery.
Lager from Singapore, Bohemian Lager (Archipelago).
Etc etc.
And I guess that the spat between Brewdog and CAMRA over last year's GBBF suggests that my opinions are shared by others in the craft beer world.
Ali
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com
Re: Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
I stand corrected. I must admit I didn't know that the country of origin made a difference, obviously it does to Camra. What a mess!
Its time that they, (Camra) as you say become less ' laughabley hypocritical' and have a policy that treats all brewers of 'craft' lagers or indeed any 'crafted' beer equally regardless of country of origin....
Probably too late for this year, but makes me think it might be a good idea to table a motion at the next AGM in order that the policy of what is 'expectable' at least consistent. Again not really what I want to spend my time doing...
Just an afterthought. Harviestouns Schiehallion is classed as a lager, is it not? It's on the beer list for the Bristol Beer Festival, I have also had it in Manchester at the winter ales festival.
Its time that they, (Camra) as you say become less ' laughabley hypocritical' and have a policy that treats all brewers of 'craft' lagers or indeed any 'crafted' beer equally regardless of country of origin....
Probably too late for this year, but makes me think it might be a good idea to table a motion at the next AGM in order that the policy of what is 'expectable' at least consistent. Again not really what I want to spend my time doing...
Just an afterthought. Harviestouns Schiehallion is classed as a lager, is it not? It's on the beer list for the Bristol Beer Festival, I have also had it in Manchester at the winter ales festival.
The craft beer revolution will not be sanitised!
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
(Apologies to Gil Scott-Heron)
Re: Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
Weird. I've had a few cask lagers at CAMRA beer festivals. Schiehallion for one.
I'm going to have to dig out my old programmes and look for more...
I'm going to have to dig out my old programmes and look for more...
Taz... or Chris. It's up to you.
Re: Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
Atomic - First Lightning. (GBBF 2010) - I gave it 4.1 out of 5
Alcazar - Desert Fox, (GBBF 2007) - Liked it
Alcazar - Desert Fox, (GBBF 2007) - Liked it
Taz... or Chris. It's up to you.
Re: Lager, the 'pot noodle' of drinks....
This only further goes to demonstrate CAMRA's inherent contradictions in the light of what DBC have encountered. Importantly, though, were these on 'special' bars?Taz Ales wrote:Atomic - First Lightning. (GBBF 2010) - I gave it 4.1 out of 5
Alcazar - Desert Fox, (GBBF 2007) - Liked it
Ali
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com
BJCP National Judge
BJCP Assistant Regional Director (North-East/Europe)
American Homebrewers' Association International Subcommittee
Organizer, National Homebrew Competition
CBA UK Competition and Training Coordinator
http://serenbrewing.com